Samsung HD753LJ SATA HDD 750 GB

Samsung HD753LJ

Despite all SMART values being way above thresholds my internal 500 GB Samsung was giving up on me which I realized when I suddenly couldn’t copy over a file to my external Samsung Spinpoint F DT USB backup disc. A deep scan with Samsung’s ES Tool revealed several defective LBAs so I cloned the entire disc to said external to swap them. When I booted up my machine the new disc wasn’t detected by my board’s VIA 8237 RAID controller revealing the flaw I’d overlooked so far:

SATA interface speed cannot be switched to 1.5 Gb/s!

Apart from SATA’s touted backwards and forwards compatibility which should ensure operating a 3.0 drive on a 1.5 connector the manual on Samsung’s product page explicitely mentions a SATA 1.5 Gb/s Speed Limit Jumper setting to avoid speed negotiation issues on older motherboards. The manual however depicts 8 jumper pins whereas the HD753LJ has only 4 (!) none combination of which does any good.

So I tried both patch downloads mentioned in the FAQ to set the speed via software on a friend’s PC whose motherboard can stomach 3.0 devices attached to it. Curiously enough both tools do not show the current setting so to verify patch results you gotta boot ES Tool again. 3 boot CDs, how’s that for convience?

Of course applying the patches did not work as confirmed by Samsung support the next day. I’d tried to contact them by mail but their German support form did not list my drive model so I had to call the hotline which failed to call me back. When I called again the next day the droid on the phone had no explanation on why manual and support form where out of date nor what the 4 jumper pins are supposedly used for (since they are not used for master/slave or 32 GB clip settings anymore).

Samsung – what’s the (Spin)point?

Update, August 6th

I’ve just read on a german forum that only after using the second tool on Samsung’s FAQ page ES-Tool 2.11 would get a new option ‘Set Max UDMA’ which at last would allow adjusting interface speed (‘process’ ). Can anyone please confirm that with a comment. I’ve already sold my Samsung and got a WD but I’d really like to know if Samsung tried to fix this flaw.

Update, November 4th

Since I’d sold my drive to a friend I was able to test it again yesterday at his computer and now it worked for me too! I was able to switch SATA speed setting by doing it as Ken Cowin suggested: set to 3.0 GB in SSpeed instead of 1.5! It appears whoever coded the tool accidentally labeled the routines the wrong way cause after using SSpeed I could verify (and even change) speed with ES Tools and option ‘Set Max UDMA’.

Update, June 6th 2010
As mentioned in the comments apparently the current version of ESTool does the job just fine. Can’t test it myself cause I’ve switched to WD Green in the meantime.

46 thoughts on “Samsung HD753LJ SATA HDD 750 GB

  1. Marvin Post author

    Of course you can’t apply the patches on a mainboard with a SATA controller that does not see your HDD! You’ve got to attach the drive to a friend’s mainboard that does see the drive and patch it there!

  2. Chris

    Thank you for all the good tips, unfortunately it seems I’m not that lucky as Joe was. I tried to make my brand new HD753LJ work with my old ABIT AV8 motherboard in any possible ways described above, using all samsung utility provided and trying all possible jumper positions but I didn’t succeed. The BIOS is the latest, but the sata controller doesn’t see the HDD at all and that’s why the SATA2->SATA1 patches can’t work also.
    If you have any new ideas please let me know, I don’t know when I’ll be able to connect this HDD to a SATA2 capable motherboard…

  3. Joe

    I had the same issue with the HD753LJ HD and my Biostar M7VIT GRAND mothether board. The sata controller didn’t see the hard disk and I wasn’t so lucky to have a friend with a SATA2 HD controller.
    The solution I got was :
    – Lookink the HD from rear (where the power and sata connector are) there are 4 pins. Holding the HD with the power connctor to the left, sata connector to the right of the power connector, electronic board on bottom, I did place a jumper on the 2 top pins.
    At this point my sata cotroller was able to see the hard disk and it was possible to run the sspeedutility to change to 1.5 Gb (selecting the option 1.5 -> 3.0 of course!).

  4. Peeppe

    Does anyone know how I can change my Samsung HD753LJ 750GB hard drive from MASTER to SLAVE?
    My motherboard is MSI K9AG Neo and I have 4 hard disks now connected.

  5. Ashley

    FANTASTIC – used Ken Cowin’s solution using a friends computer (SATA i m/board) and using the ISO files (on two CDs) and it worked fine.

    Needed to swap the CDs back and forth a couple of times but once I set the speed from “1.5 -> 3.0” the drive was detected in my A7v880 BIOS and I was able to install windows.

  6. Julius

    Yeah Baby! It works! ;D Thanks for this great topic! ;D And for others: To get the settings screen, where you can change the speed from 3.0 to 1.5, and vice-versa, You have to connect the HDD to a PCB, that already supports the HDD with 3.0Gb/s speed. Good luck! ;)

  7. Libor Tonar (CZ)

    Hey man you are GOOD.

    Your procedure is 100% functionally. I tried all the procedures from flash Bios to Hard Disk utilites. Your way is the best!!! I dont understand why the program sspeed must choose the first alternate 1.5Gb -> 3.0Gb, when I want degrade (no upgrade) the hard drive speed.

    Thank you

  8. Bart

    Hello
    Ive got the same problem. it does not let me choose to change the 3.0 onto 1.5 or the other way round? Any ideas any1?

  9. Joey

    Well, Samsung just plain sucks. I never ever buy one of their drives again. Get something else: Western Digital, Seagate, Hitachi…. The Price difference is minimal (about 3-4 Euros) and the devices work fast and reliable.

  10. Cam

    Hi Guys,

    I am also having the same issue as Gavin and Jiri with running SSPEED. It doesnt give any options after it has executed.
    Somthing else I have tried is I bought a PCI sata controller to see if they would do the trick, but its still having issues. I have now tried 3 different controllers – 2 Via and 1 Promise

    If anyone has another suggestion on how to get around this, would be greatly appreciated. Special thanks to Samsung on their documentation – a bangup job!

  11. Jiri

    Hi,
    I am in same situation like Gavin. When I run sspeed, there is some script without any listing options. (I have downloaded it yesterday from samsung site – Ken´s link. After running sspeed with this script, my SATA controller still hangs after disk detection….

  12. Gavin

    hi ken i have done what you said step by step but after i run SSPEED something runs called

    sfx502/run:switcher.est/auto

    then thats it i get no options to change anything can you help please

  13. spodosaurus

    I was able to adjust it using a different PC (newer motherboard) and the ES_TOOL 2.11. I went into the UDMA speed area in the tool, selected SATA 150, and then executed the procedure and it’s now detected in my older PC.

  14. Petr Michalica

    I changed lba to 28bits. I am lookin for some possibilities to change it to 48bits. Can help me somebody???? The program ES-Tool requests some error

  15. Ken Cowin

    You’re very welcome. Glad to be able to give a little back for all the times others have got me out of a hole!

  16. Thankfull guy

    CURL MY TAIL AND CALL ME PIGGY!!!

    IT WORKED!!!

    Ken Cowin solution in fact did work!! altough it looks crazy but after many tries the only way i got my SATA1 controller to find my HD was downgrading to 1.5G/s then back to 3.0G/s like he said!

    Shame on you samsung! shaaaaame on youuu!!!!!! this is just the kind of post-sale help that we only get from the crappiest companies!

    and thank you very much Ken Cowin for the help, you saved my life!

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  18. Ken Cowin

    GOT IT WORKING :-)

    freaknigh, Gerald (& any other frustrated HD753LJ owners with old SATA controllers!),

    Here’s one way to get it working I just discovered after a few frustrating hours I won’t get back. It is a variation on info discovered on a Canadian forum – type ‘hd753lj sata 150 mode’ into google if interested.

    Pre-requisities:

    a) A motherboard containing a controller that can recognise the drive or a Sharkoon SATA QuickPort Pro in eSATA mode (for reasons unknown I was able to get the 8237 controller in my Biostar SFF PC to see the drive when connected to the m/b via an eSATA to SATA cable!). Don’t know if these low level utils work across USB to SATA bridges or the 8237 likes other eSATA enclosures.

    b) A floppy disk drive. It should work with any boot method but the instructions listed require a floppy disk drive.

    Getting it working

    1) Download BDM_SATA1_5G_1_0.zip & SSpeed.zip

    2) Insert a blank floppy disk and execute the boot disk maker in BDM_SATA1_5G_1_0.zip. Once the disk is made create a new folder SSPEED on it and put the contents of SSpeed.zip inside.

    3) Attach the drive to the PC and powerup ensuring the floppy is set to boot before anything else.

    4) The SATA1_5 utility will automatically run.

    5) Now run the SSPEED utility by typing:

    A:
    CD \SSPEED
    RUN

    THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT BIT. A list of options will appear. Select the option to set the speed from ‘1.5G to 3.0G’ (you read correctly – seems wrong but believe me it worked for me after trying the “correct” option)!

    6) Power off and connect drive to problem controller. Powerup and with any luck it will be recognised by the controller’s BIOS.

    I tried running SSPEED before SATA1_5 before trying the seemingly wrong option in SSPEED. After 20 years working with PCs I’ve learnt to try the seemingly imporbable if all else fails. Thankfully the hunch paid off and I can now cancel that order for an SATA II controller!

    NB: It is possible that you only need to run the sspeed.zip utility and select the wrong option but now I’ve got it working I’m not going to tempt fate by messing with it any further!

    If it works for you please post back so others know it is a solution to this very frustrating problem.

  19. Gerald Bell

    Hey… i’m workin on the same problem on a MSI pt800dbp with the 8237 chipset. So far the only option to fix this problem is to purchase an SATA II controller card,. the 8237 chip is a bust. I’ve got 2@ 1TB drives here that are just usless untill i get controller or another board

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